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All four new shoes are here and I have completely tested the fit. All is well!!! I can't imagine trying to squeeze in any more tire in the back or front. In the front with the wheel jacked and completely unloaded I turned her through the stops and had only one minor interference. It was in a condition that if I ever had the car in a situation where the wheel would see this state while driving... Tire rub would be the least of my concern. The rub happened with the passenger side at the front lip of the fender at the bottom corner. With the wheel completely unloaded and the steering turned to the stop, that fender corner touched the tire. Again... if I'm driving and have the wheel locked to the left and the wheel is completely unloaded something went horribly wrong.

The fronts are 235/60R15 wheels are 15"x8" w/4" B.S. Any more B.S. in the front with a 15" wheel and the wheel would be contacting the steering tie rod where it connects to the steering arm on the spindle. Any less B.S. and I would certainly be rubbing the fender in a couple places.

The rears are 295/50R15 mounted to 15"x10" Aero wheels with 5.5" B.S. The tires are about .5"-.75" from contacting the frame/inner wheel well with the wheel jacked up into the pocket to the point where the opposite wheel was lifted off the ground. Again, I feel I'm safe there. Also the rear wheel never came close to contacting the outer wheel/quarter lip. This new suspension (complete BMR package) helped a lot with this due to it be so incredibly stiff, even if the wheel was too wide I don't think I could ever load the rear wheel enough to raise it that high.

So a huge step forward and a huge sigh of relief. I was so nervous this setup wasn't going to fit and I would be stuck trying to sell them or make them fit somehow. I was prepared to roll the fender and/or rear wheel well lips but I am happy to report I did not need to do so.

FYI... the rear wheel/tires weigh 54lbs and the fronts weigh 47lbs.

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Looks good. What is the actual foot print on the front/rear tread?

Is there any difference in tire height as measured from the ground to the tread? Some tires get shorter as you go wider. Photo appears to show the rear tire a little shorter, but of course camera perspective/angle of the shot might be all it is.

You can go wider, but it may not fit neatly under the wheel well. I have the 15" x 10" wide for the rear and plan on the Hoosier 29" tall x 12.5" wide tire. Jacking up the rear end as needed for the tire fit and want it to hang out the wheel well for the look I am after. :thumbsup:
 

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Looks good. What is the actual foot print on the front/rear tread?

Is there any difference in tire height as measured from the ground to the tread? Some tires get shorter as you go wider. Photo appears to show the rear tire a little shorter, but of course camera perspective/angle of the shot might be all it is.

You can go wider, but it may not fit neatly under the wheel well. I have the 15" x 10" wide for the rear and plan on the Hoosier 29" tall x 12.5" wide tire. Jacking up the rear end as needed for the tire fit and want it to hang out the wheel well for the look I am after. :thumbsup:
I have heard of some going a little wider than a 295. Where I am now, i couldn't get much closer to the inside but i do have a good .75" to grow on the outside. Originally I was looking at Hoosier DOT slicks but I figured I take the more practical rout for now. I am quite pleased with this setup and am glad I didn't go with the 6" B.S. on the rears.

This is a great site, if you've never used it before...

https://tiresize.com/comparison/

Granted it's based on nominal sizes. I have heard some people switching brands with the same tire size and having dimensional changes. Just like clothes... just because they list the size doesn't actually mean that's what it is if you put a tape measurement to it, plus wheel width plays a part in it too.

The rear tread measures out to be about 10.25 though it looks a bit wider than that, and the section width on a 10" wheel is close to 12". I'll get a picture with a ruler laying across them. The overall height difference from the old fronts to the new is a little off from what the tire size comparison site says it should be, by more than .5" but I think I can account for most of this in the fact that my old tires are bald lol.

So the new tires, front to back comparison per the site link above shows the rears to be .5" taller and 2.3" wider.
 

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Is that a UMI powder coated red suspension?
Tires look great
Thanks man! I went back and forth between UMI and BMR and ultimately chose BMR. It was basically down to a flip of a coin as they both make a superb product. I am extremely happy with the BMR complete suspension kit.
 

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I see the sealcoating at the end of your driveway getting rubber coated two tracks at a time in the near future...nice looking Shoes...have a nascar feel. The great thing about Pontiac motors is they will laugh at nearly any amount of rubber stuffed in the wheel wells without need for brake torque. I need to throw a new set on next season, the dunlops are starting to look like street slicks....lol
 

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That looks great! Go you think this combo would work with stock suspension as well?
Yes, I think it would work. With mine being so low in the front, I think I am in a worst case situation. I'm probably close to 3" lower than stock in the front. It may be snug at the front wheel well aft corner where the rocker panel ends. This is where my tires hit when i had them completely unloaded, jacked up in the air. I think I made the point that if I'm in a driving condition where i'm turned to the stops and i have a wheel off the ground, tire rub is the least of my concern. The other caveat is I do not have my inner wheel wells installed. I have thought about installing one to check clearance as I imagine this question will eventually need to be answered.
 

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I see the sealcoating at the end of your driveway getting rubber coated two tracks at a time in the near future...nice looking Shoes...have a nascar feel. The great thing about Pontiac motors is they will laugh at nearly any amount of rubber stuffed in the wheel wells without need for brake torque. I need to throw a new set on next season, the dunlops are starting to look like street slicks....lol
I couldn't agree more man. I haven't smoked them yet because I have a broken stud at the moment and will be removing the axles soon to have them drilled out to accept 1/2-20 studs. My Wilwood front brake kit came with 1/2-20 so I want them to match, plus 7/16 studs make me nervous with all that rubber back there. I did give it just a little throttle last weekend on a drive through the neighborhood, not more than 1/4", and they let loose with what felt like no effort at all, I'll chock it up as wearing off the mold release compound. I was hoping the rear's being as big as they are would hold somewhat but nope... She absolutely laughed at the tires lol!
 

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Yes, those street tires will be a hard compound that may need some heating up for a track run. Chalk it up to Pontiac Motors have a great amount of early torque which comes in around 2400 RPM that makes a flat torque line with the HP following closely behind. if you do get it to "Stick" on launch and are pushing enough power raising the tires and twisting the frame are not out of the question.
 
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