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This just exploded on my car the last day or so. The paint is all blistering, getting a rough texture like leather or something. It`s happening all over the car. I called the guy that painted it and he`s claiming some sort of chemical reaction (no sh!t:rolleyes: ) and it`ll have to be stripped down to bare metal once again. The top will have to come off too since he painted under there also. So I told him I would remove all the chrome, bumpers, door handles, emblems, etc, but I didn`t wanna pay for another paint job! I`m already going to have to buy another vinyl top. If he used the wrong products that is his problem. I paid for a professional paint job, and this don`t cut it. I`m pissed! Am I over reacting? Should I be more understanding?



 

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Rukee, That is some strange looking stuff !! A friend of mine who paints said it looks like the wrong primer or reducer was used. OR the surface was contaminated before the paint was sprayed.......HOW LONG AGO was the car painted ?? Eric
 

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To me, and I don't paint, it looks like in the old days when you sprayed Enamel over Laquer ( or the other way around ) this would occur.....rather quickly within a week ????:confused :eek: LET US KNOW WHAT HAPPENS !
 

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Looks like orange peal to me. Had the same thing on my 85 GT. I would not go back to your painter...

Orange peel is a certain kind of texture that may develop on painted surfaces. The texture resembles the bumpy surface of the skin of an orange (fruit) hence the name.

Gloss paint sprayed on a smooth surface (such as the body of a car) should also dry into a smooth surface. However, various factors can cause it to dry into a bumpy surface resembling the texture of an orange peel. The orange peel phenomenon can then be smoothed out with ultra-fine sandpaper, but it can be prevented altogether by changing the painting technique or the materials used. Orange peel is typically the result of improper painting technique, and is caused by the quick evaporation of thinner, incorrect spray gun setup (e.g., low air pressure or incorrect nozzle), spraying the paint at an angle other than perpendicular, or applying excessive paint.

In some situations, such as interior house paint, the orange peel texture is generally desirable. In this case, a texture paint is generally applied with a spray gun. The texture is then painted over with the appropriate color. When painting walls, orange peel can also develop by using a roller with too little paint or too thick a paint and the surface dries before the texture can level.
 

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Rukee, That is some strange looking stuff !! A friend of mine who paints said it looks like the wrong primer or reducer was used. OR the surface was contaminated before the paint was sprayed.......HOW LONG AGO was the car painted ?? Eric
It was painted like the end of Nov, first part of December. The paint did not look like that when it was picked up. Just in the last day it kinda exploded all over. Only thing I can think of is I have it out in the warm sunlight, possibly that is causing the reaction.


Looks like orange peal to me. Had the same thing on my 85 GT. I would not go back to your painter...

Orange peel is a certain kind of texture that may develop on painted surfaces. The texture resembles the bumpy surface of the skin of an orange (fruit) hence the name.

Gloss paint sprayed on a smooth surface (such as the body of a car) should also dry into a smooth surface. However, various factors can cause it to dry into a bumpy surface resembling the texture of an orange peel. The orange peel phenomenon can then be smoothed out with ultra-fine sandpaper, but it can be prevented altogether by changing the painting technique or the materials used. Orange peel is typically the result of improper painting technique, and is caused by the quick evaporation of thinner, incorrect spray gun setup (e.g., low air pressure or incorrect nozzle), spraying the paint at an angle other than perpendicular, or applying excessive paint.
I know what orange peel looks like and that texture would have been that way from the start. When I fist painted the car I had an orange peel problem, and wet sanding and buffing did make it all smooth, but too thin too. That`s why I hired this guy to repaint it right.
 

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bad painter.....

OMG! I'd be real *&^%$! I would suggest getting a refund and NOT ever going to that painter again. You shouldn't have to do anything! He should pay for the top also. I'd be taking him to small claims court or something. I don't know how much this cost you, but don't forget your time in the calculation. This is not orange peel. It looks like what everyone stated before, some kind of chemical reaction. This painter should've known this. I can only guess the time involved in getting this paint job done, and taking off all the chrome and everything is not a walk in the park. Take it somewhere else and bill this painter for it.
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Wow! That sucks.

You've already answered one key question. The paint job is 3.5 months old. One thing you didn't mention was the price you paid. Another as who did the job.

If you paid for an Earl Scheib job, well, I guess you got what you paid for.

If you went to some backyard bubba who paints out of his home garage, again, you got what you paid for.

But, if you paid several thousand dollars for a professional to do the job in a well equipped facility, I'd be smokin pi$$ed! In this case, I would expect the paint shop to cover the complete tear down, strip, prime, paint, new roof, reassembly.

Their lack of skill and knowledge or use of poor quality materials is not your problem. Of course, it could be that the guy is inncocent and the material he used was defective unbeknownst to him.

Either way, you don't need or deserve these headaches. Good luck.
 

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It was a body shop here in town, and like I said, I had just painted it before I took it to him. So there was minimal prep work to do, all the major body work had already been done. I gave him the products that I had used. I had used a single stage paint and he used a base coat clear coat. He said all he was going to have to do was mask, wet sand and paint. Car had no interior, windows or any chrome on it. He charged me $1,500.00 which I thought was fair. But if I ask for a refund and take it to another shop now they`re sure as heck going to charge more then that to fix it. I don`t mind having to do all the work again with the chrome and bumpers and windows, or buying another top, wish I didn`t have to, sh!t happens~life sux, I just want him to fix the paint.
 

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WOW Rukee, that sucks!

Did he spray the base coat over the single stage that you sprayed on? I believe I remember you saying the original paint came from NAPA which is actually Sherwin Williams. What brand was the Base Coat and clear coat?

I'll have my painter look at these pictures and get his input, he's been painting for 40 years.
 

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WOW Rukee, that sucks!

Did he spray the base coat over the single stage that you sprayed on? I believe I remember you saying the original paint came from NAPA which is actually Sherwin Williams. What brand was the Base Coat and clear coat?

I'll have my painter look at these pictures and get his input, he's been painting for 40 years.
I believe he did spray it over the single stage. Yes I used Sherwin Williams paint. I don`t know what he used and all his bill says is "paint and materials $561.04", then 6hrs to' repair imperfections', and 11hrs for 'mask, paint complete'.
 

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Rukee, as a fellow Blue Charcoal '65 guy, my heart goes out to you. As stated, the painter should pay to pull the trim, the top, strip the car, the whole thing. I would get an estimate at a reputable painter's, and take the guy to court if he didn't offer to pay. In California, the cost of fixing your car would be in excess of 5k. That said, it is clearly a case of incompatible materials: the solvents in the base coat are still evaporating, and trashing the top coat. I've seen this happen before, with laquer based paints and enamel based paints used together. Looks to me like the painter used the WRONG STUFF. Again, I"M pissed off looking at your car. But, it can be fixed, so take heart. Good luck, and keep us posted. Take care..........
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That blows!! and summer is coming too! Hope you can get 'er fixed right. Good luck.
 

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If you were satisfied with the job before the "reaction", I would find out why this occurred, and give the shop that did the job a chance to make things right. The bottom line is: you want a 1965 GTO that looks like you want it to look. The guy who screwed up (probably by accident), more likely than not, dosesn't want a bad rep, legal trouble, etc........See what he will do for you.
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He said he can get it in in a week and a half or so. And I do plan on him fixing it. I told him if he used the wrong products that`s not my problem. And added if I used the wrong products on a customers car I would have to make it right. If I put motor oil in the radiator and contaminated the cooling system, I`d have to flush it all out, refill it and not charge the customer for that no matter what the cost of my screw up, and I expect him and his paint reps to take care of this.
The paint is also changing, the rippling has calmed down some. It seems to change by the minute getting worse in some spots, and some really bad spots almost smoothing out again. You can almost use your finger and smooth out the ripples, but not quite. I almost have it ready to take back there, I got the interior out, the chrome and emblems off, I just need to change the wheels around and it`ll be ready to go.
 

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Rukee: Sounds like your Goat is REALLY a snake and is just shedding it's skin! LOL! I like Eric's statement about giving the guy the opportunity to fix the car. Judging by the way the car looked last week, he did a great job. It looks like a materials mix-up. Good luck with the repaint, and take care.
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It seems to be heaviest in the left rear quarter and gets progressively better as you go around the car to the right rear. I wonder if it could be as simple as his gun was contaminated or not cleaned out properly? It`s also calmed down a ton, you can still see it but it`s not as bad as in the pics anymore. I have all the chrome off sept the windshield, back glass trim, the vinyl top chrome, and the drip rails. I don`t have the right tools. :/
 

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It seems to be heaviest in the left rear quarter and gets progressively better as you go around the car to the right rear. I wonder if it could be as simple as his gun was contaminated or not cleaned out properly? It`s also calmed down a ton, you can still see it but it`s not as bad as in the pics anymore. I have all the chrome off sept the windshield, back glass trim, the vinyl top chrome, and the drip rails. I don`t have the right tools. :/
I'm with Eric. Give the original painter another chance, but I would treat him like a doctor treating a loved one. What I mean is that you should be able to tell him what the right paint, solvent, undercoat, etc. is before he starts the job so that you can ensure that the right materials are used. Of course this is not life and death, but spring is just around the corner. Good luck.
 

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Rukee,

Well i had told you when you painted the car not everyone can do it and also he should of known not to mix spraying materials if he is a professional painter.You should never mix materials especially if you use junk paint the first time.Sherwin Williams paint is remanufactured house paint into auto paint.It is garbage.You get when you pay for if you use PPG or Dupont or House of Kolor it will give you a overall better job and you get what you pay for.It is like buying a tool from habor freight for $5 and buying a tool from snap on for $50 for the same tool the snap on tool is better quality and will last longer same with paint materials.When he repaints make sure you use good stuff cause the job you get is as only as good as the materials you use.When you painted the car yourself the first time we had this talk and i told you the same thing then.It is not to be mean or anything just giving you some advice.I paint cars i know what i am talking about.

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