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post #1 of 11 (permalink) Old 02-04-2010, 12:06 PM Thread Starter
 
 
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2010 mustang what will it take to beat it

Since I'm a big chevy man and planning on overhauling my 1964 impala I want to know what it will take to smoke the 2010 mustang this summer (gt) obviously. right now I have 350 pushing 390lbft with a 5speed and 373 gears. I walk the previous style mustang gt no prob. I am putting in a sbc400 with 525lb/ft sticking with the tko 500 and putting in a new dana 60 rear with 4.11 gears. Curb weight is pretty close I figure with myself and my mods I'm at about 3800 lbs and the mustang weights 3534lbs Assuming I can hook it up who thinks thats enough to beat it. O the mustang stock numbers are 315 horse and 325lb/ft Any thoughts?????????
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post #2 of 11 (permalink) Old 02-04-2010, 07:01 PM
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Loose a lot of weight. There are two sides to the scale, power vs. weight. It is the power per pound that allows for phenomenal acceleration.

I am a little on the large side and require a large car to get from A to B. So it made sense to me to hotrod my 1985 Impala 4 dr sdn (daily driver) in a desire to build a quick street car. My car can turn 9.36 in the quarter mile with my big but behind the wheel. However I can not drive it on the street as much as I used to before I installed the 582 (It had a ZZ502 in it before I built the 582). At a properly prepared track I can put it on the back bumper, on the street all I get is wheel spin.

So the old saw that you can make a brick fly with enough power is true to a point. So long as you can use that power you will beat your much lighter foe (which isn't all that much more powerful than the stock 350 if you look at the area under the dyno curve).

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power wise, and power-weight wise, you'll have enough to beat a 2010 Mustang, I have NO doubt.

You'll have to do a few things to help out your traction though,....which is part 2 of what Dave eluded to above. And have you seen the 1st gear ratio of a TKO-500? it's like 3.27 or something! Combine that with a 4.11 rear gear and WOW. that would be like 4.88's with an old school Muncie, for comparison. A bit radical for the street.

Anyhoo, a well-built 400 like you mentioned is plenty, best work on the traction dept.

Oh, watch out for those 2011 Mustang 5.0's putting out 400+ hp and tq!!

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lol will do. Just looking for something tough. I plan on running some drag radials any other suggestions for traction? I plan on boxing the control arms to eliminate flex they have new poly bushings any other suggestions????
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My best advise is to read Dave Morgan's book on suspension entiltled "Door Slamers".

http://www.amazon.com/Door-Slammers-Chassis-Dave-Morgan/dp/0963121707/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1265499949&sr=1-1-spell
Amazon is temporarily out of stock but you can also find his book on SpeedTalk.com forum.

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I'm not knowledgeable on how to make a coil'sprung car hook. I've seen some big B-bodies launching wheels-up though socertainly there's a way. Boxing is a good start.
Some cheap idea's might be to use an air bag in the right side coil and/or some cheap (or very special) rear shocks to allow that rear-end to squat.


PS Oh, and a really good clutch! lol

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It can be done but it isn't easy to do with the stock rear suspension. This is a stone stock Impala with a simple 612 horse power 509cid BBC with another 500 horse of nitrous added on top. Oh yeah it needs a well preped track, and 10.5 inch drag slicks.

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That's a nice pic Dave,
Here's the ones that I was thinking of when I hear "Impala" and "traction".
I like Nick Scavo's Impala wheelies.




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Very Nice, actually I wasn't sure that was even possible lol these cars are such boats. Were those vehicles tubbed? Whats the biggest drag radial I can run under my stock 64? Thanks!
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The 1958 to '64 B-bodies have an X-frame not a ladder style perimeter frame. Look on line for "Mr. 409" or 409 matchraces at SuperChevy.com to see what your car looks like coming off the line hard. Looks a lot like a wet dish rag and I often wonder what keeps the glass from poping out of the frames the car gets so bent out of shape.

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The cars pictured run the 10.5 slick class. The lower photo is about 10 years old and was Nick Scavo's killer 7 sec Impala that blew everyone away. He raced with the original interior, bench seat and even the column shifter! I saw him run at Byron years ago with that car. He had a brand new EFI set up from Edlebrock that was a prototype at the time and he was pushing 1,000+ HP from a 427. While everyone else thrashed in the pits between rounds, Scavo and his crew sat in lawn chairs eating popsicles. He had a towel over the EFI set up but we still got a peak.
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