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post #1 of 26 (permalink) Old 09-19-2018, 09:10 PM Thread Starter
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Wheel came off while driving tonight

As the title says, my son was driving the impala to his class on campus. Got a couple of blocks away from his house and the wheel fell off and he went into the ditch dragging the hub along the street.





Fender got dented up hitting the wheel as it fell to the ground. And I found brake parts all over the ditch. This should be fun.
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post #2 of 26 (permalink) Old 09-19-2018, 10:43 PM
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NAPA used to sell a complete small spring kit as well as remanufactured wheel cylinders. However many of the brake parts you lost are not reproduced. So you need to find the missing parts with a big 50 pound magnet on a string (you can get those for cheap at your Chinese parts store) or off another used car. You are going to need five new Dorman wheel studs and Rockwell tapered lug nuts.

Wheel came off because the wheel was loose and the wheel studs can not hold up the weight of the car. Weight of the car rests on the wheel hub that fits snugly through the center hole.

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post #3 of 26 (permalink) Old 09-19-2018, 11:23 PM Thread Starter
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That sucks that some of these are no longer produced. I picked up a spring and the brake shoes. And we still have the drum. I would love to find the lugs to see if the nuts are still on them. My son swears that he did not veer off the road at all. And the gouge in the asphalt is indeed in the big section of the road. But what is done is done. Whatever the reason. I will tell him to go look for parts in the ditch. Thanks.

In the morning I will post a pic of the messed up fender. Not pretty.
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I know you don’t like the disc brakes, but might look into them. Depending on parts availability and price.
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The nuts will be on those lugs, the lugs are broken off in the hub. Two possibilities: the nuts were loose/incorrectly torqued, or, the nuts were put on with lube or anti-seize. Doing that will allow for torque values much higher than the correct setting (while looking correct on the wrench). A common mistake, even by "pro" techs. That fastener is specified "clean and dry" for a reason. Yes, I had three broken lugs on one of my cars after a shop used copper anti-seize on the lugs. Got stopped before the wheel came off. Still have the broken lugs, with nuts, and you can clearly see the anti-seize on there.

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The nuts will be on those lugs, the lugs are broken off in the hub. Two possibilities: the nuts were loose/incorrectly torqued, or, the nuts were put on with lube or anti-seize. Doing that will allow for torque values much higher than the correct setting (while looking correct on the wrench). A common mistake, even by "pro" techs. That fastener is specified "clean and dry" for a reason. Yes, I had three broken lugs on one of my cars after a shop used copper anti-seize on the lugs. Got stopped before the wheel came off. Still have the broken lugs, with nuts, and you can clearly see the anti-seize on there.


No anti-seize was used at all. I never do. And I was the last one to take the wheels off, unless the inspector took that side off in April. The wheels have not been off since then. So I guess it was not put back on properly by me or the inspector.
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By the way, here is what the fender looks like.



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That is a real bummer. Sorry.
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Major bummer man.
I"ve had a rear wheel come off and damage the sheetmetal as well.



Good luck getting her back together.

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No anti-seize was used at all. I never do. And I was the last one to take the wheels off, unless the inspector took that side off in April. The wheels have not been off since then. So I guess it was not put back on properly by me or the inspector.
Probably the Inspector's fault, but, what torque value did you use last time?

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That is something that I always do now-a-days. After I tighten the lugs, I now always finish it up with Torque Wrench. I always do my own work, but if an inspector or front end shop ever took off a wheel, I'll be checking it once I'm back home.

Bummer that it happened as many have mentioned, but glad it wasn't any worse that it was.

Another question though. What does the Wheel look like? Is there any evidence of a loose Wheel? Any wallowed out Lug holes?

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I have not pulled the wheel out of the truck to look at the holes for wallowing. Maybe this afternoon or evening O will have time to i spect it more. Definitely this weekend.
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post #13 of 26 (permalink) Old 09-22-2018, 03:14 PM Thread Starter
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Just took the fender off. Bright side is I can finally access the blower motor to see if it is the reason I don’t have air.





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This accident to me reveals a possible dislike of butternut yellow. :-)

Breaks my heart to see the results of the incident. Good luck getting it all back together and putting it behind you.
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This accident to me reveals a possible dislike of butternut yellow. :-)



Breaks my heart to see the results of the incident. Good luck getting it all back together and putting it behind you.


Thanks. And yes. I agree about the butternut. My son agrees as well. Notice the black spray paint job.
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My first car obsession was a '67 caprice in butternut with a black interior. I love it!

Someone bought that car right out from under me. 😔
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Glad to see you are getting after it!


Good point on that blower fan unit, you really really should replace it now while the fender is already off.

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Glad to see you are getting after it!


Good point on that blower fan unit, you really really should replace it now while the fender is already off.


That will be the plan. I am going to run a wire to it to test, but should just replace it on principal based on how it looks.
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Probably want to look over those control arms carefully as they probably took a hit larger than design specification.
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Probably want to look over those control arms carefully as they probably took a hit larger than design specification.


Yep. I plan to once I get it jacked up. Thanks.
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Removed the old drum brake stuff and getting ready to install the disc brake conversion kit.







Just need to add some heat and get that one bolt out of the pass side spindle.
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I have some things to replace like the tie rod and sway bar link on the passenger side as well as i stall a proportioning valve.
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Nice!

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Nice!


Thanks. It was easier than I expected to install them. Can’t wait to finish it all up and get it back on the road.
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I know you don’t like the disc brakes, but might look into them. Depending on parts availability and price.
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