Windows - Impala Tech
Body Shop Paint & Body Forum

 
LinkBack Thread Tools
post #1 of 21 (permalink) Old 04-29-2013, 09:05 PM Thread Starter
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Roman Forest
Posts: 141
 
Windows

I came across an interesting detail as I was swapping out my windows in my 66 SS. My car came with a door shell, and some of the regulator pieces. I found out later that a couple of key pieces were missing. So I got a '65 SS door at a swap meet, which is how I found the key missing pieces in mine. Anyway, I pulled the window out of the '65 I bought, and the window itself is different than mine. And I believe my original door came from a '65 as well. Very strange.



The window that came with my car is on the left, and the one from the 65 SS is on the right. After getting the missing pieces from the 65' donor door, including the window, it definitely fits better and all works better. Not sure where that window on the left came from.

Ed
66 Impala SS
edjunior is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 21 (permalink) Old 04-30-2013, 04:25 AM
Moderator
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 12,428
 
Etched into the glass should be both a part number and a date code. I don't know where it is placed, but it is generally found on most cars at the bottom edge of the glass.

I see that they are both lightly tinted (aka "Cool-Ray") which was standard on an A/C equipped car but could be ordered separately as an option. It could have been replaced at some point in the car's past if the original window was broken by kids playing ball or by the wife using the top edge of the glass to pull the door closed instead of the handle on the contoured arm rest (mine does that all the time because her handle holds loose change, her cell phone, a tissue I wouldn't use to check the oil, and a gummy melted mess of old hard candies which is why she stuffed the tissue into the handle in the first place).

Big Dave
Big Dave is offline  
post #3 of 21 (permalink) Old 04-30-2013, 08:03 AM
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 1,060
Blog Entries: 1
 
Glass

Agreed, check the glass codes and you will find various decoding sites across the web that can answer your questions or post the codes from both windows and we will see what we can find. Just for the record, on the full size Chevy cars although you might find tinted windows more often in a/c cars, it was not included with a/c as a standard package. The RPO A01 and A02 options were a separate paid for option in all these cars and not standard with any package.

Paul

Paul

1966 Impala SS

Please Visit our new site:
http://www.winvoices.com/
1959 through 1988* window stickers, car shippers, dealer invoices, retail sales orders and tank stickers, expertly reproduced, for most Chevrolet Models.





fsc66 is online now  
 
post #4 of 21 (permalink) Old 05-05-2013, 07:13 PM Thread Starter
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Roman Forest
Posts: 141
 
Okay, first post, the window codes. Picture 1 is the window I just put in, from a '65 SS door I got at a swap meet a few weeks back.



Pic 2 is the passenger side, which I believe to be the original door/window for this car:


Pic 3 is the window that came with the car, but was in the trunk. I believe it went with this replacement door for the car, and believe it to also be from a '65:


If you can't read the last one, the code to the right of "AS-2" is "YJ-10". Okay, let's see what y'all can give me. Please!

Ed
66 Impala SS
edjunior is offline  
post #5 of 21 (permalink) Old 05-05-2013, 07:57 PM Thread Starter
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Roman Forest
Posts: 141
 
And now part 2. After getting the window in, it works perfect. Rolls up and down great. However, the whole kit and kaboodle (yeah...I said that!) is about 1/2 an inch short. See the pics below:





I have measured and measured against the other door, and even the window that came with the car. For reference, the window I got with the car is the one left:


And I looked, and the passenger window is the same style. However, according to my measurements, using this window would only raise the window about 1/8 of an inch. And it still wouldn't account for the vent window frame which would not change. So, my question is, what the heck is going on. The door looks to be aligned for the most part...at least as far as up or down. I'm going to split this post to hopefully (maybe) make it easier to read/respond to.

Ed
66 Impala SS
edjunior is offline  
post #6 of 21 (permalink) Old 05-05-2013, 08:09 PM Thread Starter
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Roman Forest
Posts: 141
 
Part 3. So here is some pics of the door (actually both sides) and how they line up with the fenders.

Driver's door. As you can see, it seems to be sitting "out" near 1/4 of an inch or so.




And here is the passenger side.





This door seems to be in, just a bit, at least at the top. But as far as the window, it's perfect. I didn't get a picture of that (guess I should, huh??). But this door (passenger) closes fine, and lines up everywhere else, except at that top front corner.

So, I guess my question here is, how do I adjust the doors? I also noticed inside the doors (both of them), the front fender seems to be missing the bolt into the inner body frame. This may actually pull the passenger side in properly, but not the drivers side.

Okay, I'll stop for now. If any of this doesn't make sense, let me know and I'll try to clarify it. This is more than a little annoying.

Thanks for all your help!

Ed
66 Impala SS
edjunior is offline  
post #7 of 21 (permalink) Old 05-06-2013, 09:21 PM Thread Starter
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Roman Forest
Posts: 141
 
Stumped??

Ed
66 Impala SS
edjunior is offline  
post #8 of 21 (permalink) Old 05-06-2013, 09:45 PM
Moderator
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 12,428
 
First question I would ask is in what condition are the body bushings? They are the foundation you are building on. If the rubber has rotted away you will never get the panels to align because at every bump in the road you will move the panels out of place as the car twists and turns.

Big Dave
Big Dave is offline  
post #9 of 21 (permalink) Old 05-06-2013, 09:53 PM Thread Starter
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Roman Forest
Posts: 141
 
Is this what you are referring to Dave?

http://www.chevytalk.org/fusionbb/sh...hp?tid/250422/

Ed
66 Impala SS
edjunior is offline  
post #10 of 21 (permalink) Old 05-06-2013, 10:36 PM
Moderator
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 12,428
 
I followed that thread and saw pictures of someone trying to install body mounts on a rusted out frame (putting POR15 on it makes it pretty not stronger). I saw him welding in stamped flat steel washers (the metal is far to thin to be a structural support for a car body and usually clad in zinc or cadmium which won't weld well unless stripped to bare steel) to patch the corrosion damage he had and he was then using 3/8th-20 bolts to hold the body bushings on to a 3/8-20 nut welded to the underside of the body.

That is not the way to go. Some kits (only a few) that sell plastic body bushings ship with new reproduction body washers (with integral spacers that require a deep draw die and some serious press pressure) with brand new 5/8-11 grade eight fasteners. The captured cage nuts used in the body mounting have to be welded in place prior to anything else.

But yes those were body bushings he was trying to repair.

Big Dave
Big Dave is offline  
post #11 of 21 (permalink) Old 05-07-2013, 09:29 AM Thread Starter
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Roman Forest
Posts: 141
 
Okay...so I haven't looked at mine yet. I don't know what I have. But is this what you are talking about that would need replaced/repaired? And kinda back to the original question, would those be the cause (or one cause) of the window/door being that much low?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1965-1966-65...d89110&vxp=mtr

Ed
66 Impala SS
edjunior is offline  
post #12 of 21 (permalink) Old 05-07-2013, 06:28 PM
Moderator
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 12,428
 
Yes to both questions.

Big Dave
Big Dave is offline  
post #13 of 21 (permalink) Old 05-07-2013, 07:40 PM Thread Starter
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Roman Forest
Posts: 141
 
Thanks Dave. You are a verifiable walking Chevy encyclopedia. You can be a bit overwhelming, but once we filter you out, you are spot on. I actually checked out a few other threads and searches, and saw where other people described my symptoms (other than the window above also), and it sure is leading to those bushings.

Now the next question...can they be replaced without lifting the frame from the car? I mean without pulling it in its entirety. In other words, can I loosen and remove one side and jack the body away from the frame to replace the bushings. Or do I have to suck it up and get the body lifted off the frame?

As always, appreciate the help and advice.

Ed
66 Impala SS
edjunior is offline  
post #14 of 21 (permalink) Old 05-07-2013, 08:11 PM
Moderator
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 12,428
 
You can replace the body bushings with out doing a frame off. Just get enough separation to swap them out.

Be fore warned however that the factory captured the nuts on the top of the body bolts with galvanized, or primed raw steel. By this time those caged nuts, as they were called, are now free to roam the Serengeti. If the nuts do spin you will have to get out a cut off wheel and carve open your body sill or the back seat area or in the trunk to gain access to the nuts. Once you make yourself some new scrap steel nut cages ( a simple box sized to hold two sides of the nut in place) and weld the nut to the cage and the cage to the car body. You will now have some body work to do to weld up the parts you cut open.

Big Dave
Big Dave is offline  
post #15 of 21 (permalink) Old 05-07-2013, 09:31 PM Thread Starter
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Roman Forest
Posts: 141
 
Dang Dave, first you pump me up, then you slam me down. Cutting and welding is beyond my expertise. But, I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say, yeah...they really need replaced. Period. This is the driver side rear, in front of the rear wheel. The passenger side looked only slightly worse.


Ed
66 Impala SS
edjunior is offline  
post #16 of 21 (permalink) Old 05-07-2013, 10:46 PM
Moderator
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 12,428
 
Maybe your the luckiest guy on the planet and your car has been in air conditioned storage in a Las Vegas casino vault for the past forty years so there isn't any rust on the cage nuts. Maybe, but I wouldn't bet the farm on it.

I have heard how great the new rust buster sprays are from the folks that bring you Royal Purple. Might want to try out their new product to see if it lives up to the hype (though advertising money doesn't impress me as much as R&D money does).

Big Dave
Big Dave is offline  
post #17 of 21 (permalink) Old 05-08-2013, 09:19 AM Thread Starter
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Roman Forest
Posts: 141
 
Thanks Dave. You really know how to instill confidence! Funny you should mention Royal Purple. I live about 10 miles from THE Royal Purple plant in Porter, TX. One of the top dogs there lives in my area and always has promo stuff for our fund-raising events here locally. Great people, and I actually use RP in my TrailBlazer. Anyway, slight drift off-topic. I will check out their rust-removing/penetrating stuff and see what it can do for me.

Ed
66 Impala SS
edjunior is offline  
post #18 of 21 (permalink) Old 05-08-2013, 08:52 PM
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: st cloud, fl
Posts: 437
 
Smile

The windows in my 65 Biscayne are different than yours......they have no
bolts holding them to the frame/mine are held on with setting tap.

Donnie
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	005.jpg
Views:	75
Size:	41.1 KB
ID:	3023  

Last edited by weldvair; 05-09-2013 at 06:50 AM.
weldvair is offline  
post #19 of 21 (permalink) Old 05-09-2013, 12:48 PM Thread Starter
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Roman Forest
Posts: 141
 
Interesting Donnie. Not sure I understand what you mean by "setting tap" though. Do you have a picture of the actual window?

Ed
66 Impala SS
edjunior is offline  
post #20 of 21 (permalink) Old 05-12-2013, 01:37 PM
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: st cloud, fl
Posts: 437
 
That is what I have posted....look close & you will see the window w/no holes.

Donnie
weldvair is offline  
post #21 of 21 (permalink) Old 05-12-2013, 04:55 PM Thread Starter
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Roman Forest
Posts: 141
 
Sorry Donnie. I see it now. What a nice clear window! You are correct...that's a totally different window from mine.

Ed
66 Impala SS
edjunior is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the Impala Tech forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in










Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page



Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome