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post #1 of 36 (permalink) Old 02-25-2012, 02:13 PM Thread Starter
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I'm new...

I'm new.... hope to hang around a while....
I've been a blue oval guy, but I recently started becoming a fan of the General, especially Chevy...

Last week I came across a 65 Impala that was for sale.
It's got a 327 (1967) and a 4 spd. The paper said, it's got a 10 bolt posi and I believe it said 3.42 gears....

It looked rock solid, but haven't driven it or been under it yet (it was starting to rain).
The guy assured me it was rust free - body & underneath (heard that before)...
So we are meeting Monday afternoon to look it over.

Not wild about the rims, but that can be changed.... but they may grow on me.
Needs some tail pipe work (owner removed them)
and most likely a tune up (but I'd do that anyway)....

Any Thoughts or recommendations for things to look at????
If it is as rock solid as he claims and no rust, any thoughts on what it's worth?
He's got $10,500 on it. Thought that's pretty high.....


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post #2 of 36 (permalink) Old 02-25-2012, 02:20 PM
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That's a great looking car and the price (depending on condition) doesn't sound bad at all.

If you don't mind a long-winded reply, here's a list I assembled when I was Impala-shopping last year:

1. BODY

The bodies on 1965 and 1966 Impalas were rugged, but as with most 1960s cars, they are prone to rust. Steve Leuing, the National Impala Association and Vintage Chevrolet Club of America's technical advisor for 1965 full-size Chevrolets, says the biggest area of concern is body and frame rust. "Unfortunately, because of the nature of the construction of these cars, they are very prone to rusting in front, above and behind the rear-wheel opening, wheel wells, floors, trunk pan and gutters at the base of the windshield," Steve says. Convertibles are susceptible to severe rust in the front and rear floor pan because water doesn't get channeled out properly. However, one area of these cars, the rocker panels, remains solid unless exposed repeatedly to salt-covered roads. This is due to "flush and dry" rocker panels, which were designed to allow water to flow through, followed by a burst of air to dry out the remaining moisture. The door hinges were built like Fort Knox, but after 40 years, the bushings may need replacing.

Check for areas around the base of the front and back windshields, trunk pan, floor pans (especially around driver's side front).

2. CHASSIS

The frames are strong, but rust attacks the "kick-up" area, where it goes up over the rear axle. Water and dirt collect, and rust starts. The frames also rust where the side rails meet the rear crossmember. Steve said, "The 1965 frames rust behind the front wheel where the boxed frame curves around and meets the straight part of the frame, just forward of the transmission crossmember. This area was very prone to collect dirt and water on the inside, resulting in the bottom of the frame rotting out over time."

Due to their size and weight, Impalas are known for wearing out lower ball joints, even with regular lubrication. The original ball joints were riveted on at the factory, so if you find a car with bolt-in type, they've been replaced. The upper ball joints, however, last nearly forever. The rear suspension is stout and has a rigid axle, coil springs, direct-acting shocks and a lateral control bar. Offered for the performance-minded driver was a heavy-duty suspension, which included a thicker front anti-roll bar, higher-rate springs, stiffer shocks, 14 x 6-inch-wide wheels and a redesigned rear stabilizer bar that attached to the lower control arms.

Make sure the frame is solid. Take a small hammer with you and tap on the entire frame from front to back. If it "rings", it's solid metal. If it sounds like you are hitting a rock, it's probably rusted through.

Areas to look at are the crossmember mounts on each side of the frame, especially before and after the rear axle hump. Check also for rust on the frame at the spring perch (drivers side), on trunk pans and around the bottom of the rear screen (caused by leaking rear screen).

3. INTERIOR

The standard Impala interior included a bench seat with a combination vinyl-cloth material, which did not wear well. The dash was painted metal, but Chevy did offer a padded dash as an option. When new, 1965 and 1966 Super Sport Impalas included front bucket seats and an all-vinyl interior. The dash featured a brushed aluminum lower instrument panel, with a cluster including oil and ammeter gauges. The headliners, with the "star" pattern, were of much better quality than today's, and some originals have survived intact, with little wear; cars that have spent their lives in the desert, however, have headliners dry up from the heat. The original carpets are like anything else that wears when dirt and stones get embedded in the fiber. If kept clean, they hold up well. The all-vinyl seat covers were fairly tough, but after 40 years, the vinyl breaks down and begins to crack.
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post #3 of 36 (permalink) Old 02-25-2012, 02:37 PM Thread Starter
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awesome, thanks for the forwarding of the Info...

Been down the Mustang, Falcon, Comet route in life, but frame is something new to me... They were all unibody stuff, they didn't fair so well in Illinois.... I'll go over the frame with a fine tooth comb.

as for his price, he said he may come off it a little.. he wants a Mopar; and Cash always speaks louder than trades or even checks.


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Welcome to the Team Bob!

Seems a little high to me as well; but it will depend upon the car's condition.

Since you don't have the born with motor, I wouldn't consider the power train to be more than something to move it about under it's own power. The 10 bolt is the base rear end and can handle no more than 450 horsepower, which many small block Chevy's can exceed with nothing more than a head swap and a cam to match the heads. The high performance engines all had the 12 bolt rear end which can easily hold up to 650 horsepower with stock parts. So you have a small bargaining chip to discount those parts off the high price.

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I'm hoping he'll end up in the high 8's or low 9's
of course that is all pending the drive and inspection..
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$10,500 seems a little high for a non-SS or 'Vert. Try $8K and go from there.

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that was my plan until today....

I had the chance to crawl around it and tap here and there and magnet the fenders, etc.

The frame is rock solid!

The body has repair panels, but done nicely. only in one place could I see the seam and it's wasn't the entire length.

Today, I popped the hood... and what to my surprise I should find.
3 on the tree
There is a tach on the steering column and it covers the top of it pretty well.

So, I'm a little nervous...
I know it must have been a auto in a previous life, but they did hang a clutch pedal and it's not hanging at an angle.
since I can't get to the door tag and I didn't write down the vin.

is there anything tell tale signs that this could have been a 6 cyl car?

in my previous life with Mustangs, it was pretty easy for me to tell. easiest thing was 4 lug bolts.
anything like that on Impalas?

like i said frame and body are awesome. paint shows signs...
I could easily spend this kind of money making a car this solid.
also the interior is in great shape.
carpet is a little worn, but it has been driven..

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Trim tag will tell you if it was supposed to be a six or eight (but it isn't carved in stone). The Vin wil identify a six from an eight and it was the last thing installed on the car.

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Trim tag will tell you if it was supposed to be a six or eight (but it isn't carved in stone). The Vin wil identify a six from an eight and it was the last thing installed on the car.

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Thanks for the info....

I was talking to a friend of mine here locally. He's being into Chevy and happens to have a 67 Impala SS - 427 4 spd.
Yes, the real thing.. (also owns a couple of 60's vets)

Showed him some pics of the car and we talked about it in great detail this afternoon.

He told me where to look and what else to look for...
When I told him about the 3 spd converted to 4 spd... and the steering column was never changed... he offered one to me that is from a manual car. Said we could have have it changed out in a couple of hours.

He felt if it had been changed from a 6 to an 8, and it had been done properly (less the steering column) he didn't feel it would truly effect the value since there isn't any rust. He stated I could easily dump $5-6,000 in a body and paint and maybe not be as good as the car is...

He owns an auto parts store here, and he's been a car guy his entire life.
I trust what he has to say and doubt he would ever steer me wrong.

Going Saturday to drive it and look the rest of the car over...
I've kept my cool so far.... I'm pretty excited!
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Welcome - doesn't sound too bad to me either. Here's a nice looking convertible that didn't make the reserve on Ebay;

http://www.ebay.ca/itm/330691806631?...84.m1423.l2649
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I'm not sure if you already figured this out or not but there were plenty of 3 on the tree V8 Impala's built.

Mine was moved from the column to the floor before I bought it. They kept it a 3 speed too! I just converted it to a 4 speed last Fall.

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The car was probably either a 6 cylinder or small V8 (283 or 250 hp 327) since it has only a 10 bolt rear end. Best thing to do is compare the first five numbers in the car's VIN to see what model you actually have, and if it came with a 6 or V8. Conversion cars to not demand high dollars - don't overpay!

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yep... i was assured by owner it is original v-8 car.....
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Give us the vin number.

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I am going over on Wednesday, I'll get the number then.
if that fails, I'll get it on Saturday.

I'm not sure why i didn't get it today when I was there...
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OK, my Father in Law went and looked at this car, while he was checking on his HotRod frame (guys building one for him).

he snapped this pic of the rear... wish he took it closer, there was so much sky around it, I cropped it so there was actually a car in the pic, but you can see the bumper does kind of go up in the middle.
the back bumper looks a bit tweaked, I missed this completely. I guess I was more concerned about what was going on under the car...

any thoughts?
Going Saturday to talk to the guy and see where he ends up on price.
Deal Breaker or Negotiating Point?

Any thoughts on what that would cost to fix?
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1960 "More-Door"
  • 350 4Bbl
  • TH-350
  • Duals (Antennae & Exhaust)
  • Jamco 3" Lowering Springs & shocks
  • Griffin Aluminum Radiator

Future Plans:
Fender Skirts, & Lake Pipes (maybe)

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Impala Bob (the other Impala Bob) has them new on Ebay:

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oh heck, I completely missed that when I was searching....

I was thinking way more than that....

Thanks

so.....
not so much a deal breaker, just a bargaining chip.

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1960 "More-Door"
  • 350 4Bbl
  • TH-350
  • Duals (Antennae & Exhaust)
  • Jamco 3" Lowering Springs & shocks
  • Griffin Aluminum Radiator

Future Plans:
Fender Skirts, & Lake Pipes (maybe)

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ImpalaBob65: I too am a Bob looking for a '65. I have seen some very nice '65's in the mid west on auto trader classics, oldrides and ebay.

If you run accross a nice one in Florida, let me know. Good luck in your search.

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Bob, will keep my eyes open for ya....

going this afternoon to drive and do detailed inspection on this car....
Hope he's willing to come off that price... if not, I may have to walk away...

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1960 "More-Door"
  • 350 4Bbl
  • TH-350
  • Duals (Antennae & Exhaust)
  • Jamco 3" Lowering Springs & shocks
  • Griffin Aluminum Radiator

Future Plans:
Fender Skirts, & Lake Pipes (maybe)

https://plus.google.com/u/0/photos/1...54525298?hl=en
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A SS may bring that kind of money, but I'd walk from a Regular Impala that doesn't have the original drive train and needs several things replaced or repaired. Not putting regular Impala's down at all. I own two.
Take the car somewhere where you can put it up on a lift. Its money well spent.
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A SS may bring that kind of money, but I'd walk from a Regular Impala that doesn't have the original drive train and needs several things replaced or repaired. Not putting regular Impala's down at all. I own two.
Take the car somewhere where you can put it up on a lift. Its money well spent.
luckily my f.i.l. has a local buddy with a lift.

as far as that money on an SS that's in equivalent condition, nothing comes close to that kind of money for the condition. they are either in need of complete resto or completely done and the price is way over my limit.

as far as original power train, if it's done right and isn't something that doesn't belong... then it could be an issue for me.

i have a price in my head that it needs to be at.
we shall see...

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1960 "More-Door"
  • 350 4Bbl
  • TH-350
  • Duals (Antennae & Exhaust)
  • Jamco 3" Lowering Springs & shocks
  • Griffin Aluminum Radiator

Future Plans:
Fender Skirts, & Lake Pipes (maybe)

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Follow up from today's visit!

I went today and drove it.
Rose Colored Glasses had blurred my original thoughts.... well a little

I knew the paint wasn't great.
The car had either backed into something or been backed into.. Besides the bumper, there is a bit of dent on the edge of the trunk as well as a spot on the radius of the trunk lid. Nothing major... it can be fixed.

There is a little rust at the bottom of pass. door... very little, but it's on the door.

Interior issues... the dash is good and gauges/lights worked. signs of age, but it's not bad.
Carpet needs replaced and the seats are original. could use some new covers.

The other issue is.... it needs seat belts!
Most importantly... the brakes need a complete go through... brakes go to the floor and pump up.

going to work up some numbers tonight and try to figure out a price and get back with him.

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1960 "More-Door"
  • 350 4Bbl
  • TH-350
  • Duals (Antennae & Exhaust)
  • Jamco 3" Lowering Springs & shocks
  • Griffin Aluminum Radiator

Future Plans:
Fender Skirts, & Lake Pipes (maybe)

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shot him an offer, and he didn't like it. countered and he's thinking about it. we shall see....

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1960 "More-Door"
  • 350 4Bbl
  • TH-350
  • Duals (Antennae & Exhaust)
  • Jamco 3" Lowering Springs & shocks
  • Griffin Aluminum Radiator

Future Plans:
Fender Skirts, & Lake Pipes (maybe)

https://plus.google.com/u/0/photos/1...54525298?hl=en
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Looking forward to see how this turns out! Also, would love to see more pics of the car!
Good luck!
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