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post #1 of 32 (permalink) Old 09-03-2014, 02:15 AM Thread Starter
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imposter SS suspicion.....

I purchased this 1966 Impala SS though pretty rough condition, thought to be a true SS car. Thinking it is just a sport coupe now, but is a very convincing reproduction if that is the case. Just to be sure I am deciphering the tag correctly, think someone could chime in and give me the details on the cowl tag. Curious on the break down to see what is legit and what is not.

PS...this is a canadian built car to my knowledge as well.

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post #2 of 32 (permalink) Old 09-03-2014, 06:48 AM
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I think that black stripe proves it is an SS.
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This is not an SS, SS's began either with 168 for a V8 or 167 for a 6 cylinder. The buckets were installed along with the SS emblem. It is missing the super sport emblem on the glove box along with the front grille emblem. Pretty easy to determine a true SS by the VIN and cowl tag. 16437 is a 2 dr V8 Sport Coupe.

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Wow, that must have been a Canada only option. I've never seen one before! Plain impala sport coupe ordered with bucket seat interior. So it is not a Super Sport but my guess is that it is very rare. You might want to get the GM of Canada Docs on the car and ask if they can give you the production figure for how many 16437's were built with rpo A51 bucket seats.

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I think that black stripe proves it is an SS.
Only if Chip Foose painted it..........
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Wow, that must have been a Canada only option. I've never seen one before! Plain impala sport coupe ordered with bucket seat interior. So it is not a Super Sport but my guess is that it is very rare. You might want to get the GM of Canada Docs on the car and ask if they can give you the production figure for how many 16437's were built with rpo A51 bucket seats.

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So how did you determine that? So these are factory buckets/console then for sure? They appear to be, period correct stitching and everything. Just curious.

thanks for that by the way...And how does a person get the documents you speak of?
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Odd

Based on the trim tag stating A51 is what Warren is going by. A51 is a 1966 Caprice option, that included bucket seats, console, gauges and lower dash pad. Figuring Canada may have used the A51 code as a bucket seat option.
Further exemplification is from the trim code 813 which is a black bucket seat trim for the Impala SS, so it does look as if although not an SS model, it was ordered with buckets and console.


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And, see if you can find a Canadian 65 dealer brochure, this option may be in there! I think both brochures I have are the US ones.

Very cool. Order the info from GM Canada!

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So I wonder if this thing would be worth putting some time into before selling it? Like swapping out the bad frame, cleaning it up, getting documented, and see if she will fire up and drive? Or should a guy just clean it up and sell for ?
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I asked someone about this and this was apparently the "SS" type option for Canada sold 66's. He said most he has seen have not had an SS emblem on the glove box doors.

It may not be as uncommon as I was thinking in Canada. Yeah, it might be worth putting some time into and getting the docs but with the bad frame, that could be quite involved.
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Not scared of swapping the frame if the time put into it will be worth it. Wish I knew more before spending the $80 for the paper work. But....might be my only choice I guess. Console also does not have any SS badging....just normal automatic console with no gauges what so ever... This normal?
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Console

There are no SS badgings on the consoles, this is the correct console, gauges were also an additional option and I am not even sure if they were offered on Canadian cars.
On US super sports the only SS badging was on the front grille, glove box, trunk, front fenders and if you had the standard SS hub caps they said SS on those.

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I think that is a real SS, at least the cowl tag is. A regular Impala could not be ordered with buckets and the A51 is for buckets, as stated. (Edit, I am wrong, A51 is for the "Sports Option" on a 66 Canadian Impala, which turns it into a Super Sport with all the SS badging, buckets and a console)

I'm not sure about the US cars but in Canada, a 163 is a 6 cylinder Impala, a 164 is a V8 Impala, a 166 is a Caprice. We never had a 167 or 168 in Canada in 1966.

Your Vin is 6 for 1966, 164 for V8 Impala, 37 for 2 dr ht, 0 for Oshawa plant, 05420 is the sequence number.

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Oh, the 1-10-12 is first shift, 10 for October, 12 for the day.

A51 buckets, M35 Powerglide. I don't know the V for paint or the 813 interior colour off the top of my head, sorry.
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I guess the only way to confirm for sure is to order the vin check through that company. Seems Canada had some different codes. If it is a true SS or a rare SS delete car of some sort I have no problem sinking some $$ into it before selling it, but if it is just a coupe with imposter emblems, then I might as well just sell as is or part out.

Might just have to bite the bullet and get the history done.

So why is it that the Canadian version is so hard to decipher? I know for my 65 SS it is a canadian car and it is pretty straight forward.
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The more I look at the pics, the more my money is on it being a real SS. That tag does not look tampered with, look at the rivets, they look original and it has that look of being on there a long time.

It's not a high dollar big block 4 speed car or anything, so I really doubt someone would go to the trouble of faking it by putting on a tag that lists buckets.

By the way, I'm just a bit east of you near Morris.
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Ok....so........................

I am searching around on Kijiji (classified ads) and find the match to my Impala on there right down to the colour. Same badge issues, same options, everything. So my thoughts are what are the chances that there were two cars with same options listed as an SS? Thinking pretty few... My one main suspicion was the fender badges looked a tiny bit crooked, but so does this twin....same thing exactly. So in 66 I'm assuming that the canadian version built in Oshawa did not come with dash and grill SS inserts?

Food for thought? lol....


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In the states (down south of the border) there was a great deal of latitude at each plant when it came to building the cars. in the early to mid sixties. The published assembly manual from Helm publishing was considered more of a guide than a mandate and the associated Fisher Body plants had the same corporate attitude. Starting around 1967 GM central production office started to enforce more regularity as every plant had their own IBM 360 main frame computer installed and started using standardized GM forms (build sheets varied from plant to plant before this). Cars after that date became more uniform in how they were built and in which parts (vendors they were allowed to source) that they could use.

Prior to this each plant was it's own little barony and they were judged solely on profitability. A lot of this change was also due to union attitude at the time with quality being variable from day to day at each plant depending upon a local college game or major holiday involving drinking. GM started to train and "provide free of cost" quality control inspectors paid directly by GM to try and provide a more uniform product to the public, which unfortunately created a little friction in the plants with an us vs. them attitude.

Variability from the "norm" would be possible if both cars were built at the same plant around the same time.

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Twin

Like to see the pic of trim tag and vin if you can get it from them?
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The pics of the tags are in post #1.

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The pics in post 1 are his car, he said he found a twin to his car and posted some of the pics to this twin car, I am asking for TT and vin for this new car.

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Of couse, that makes sense!

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Ya requested them from the owner, will see if they come through or not
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if you look in the thread in the tag team section with the guy posting tag pics of cars he is bringing home from a barn, he just posted one of a 66 Impala convertible Oshawa built with bucket seats! Shows A51 on the tag and the 813 interior.
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Ya, just figured out I have one of those here too....but the guy was converting it to a 65? Donno.....some peoples kids I tell ya!
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