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Canadian Built 64 SS 327 Convert...odd #'s??

I have recently inherited a 1964 SS 327 convertible that my grandmother ordered new from a local dealership. It currently has 59,000 miles on the clock and had been parked in her heated garage since the mid 1970's. I was in the midst of getting the appraisal done and the numbers everywhere on the car don't match with anything I have found on the sites for US built cars. Here is the info.... Door Jamb VIN # 41467026### GM of Canada The Car is original right down to the paint, glass, trunk,...everything.

Engine stamping on the front of the block 854622957

Trim Tag Info

STYLE 1467 1-12-16
BODY NO. 127981
Paint P
TRIM 845
M35 TOP-10

Anyone have any info on decoding Canadian built cars? My appraiser is stumped. Thanks for any help.

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Welcome to the Team Steve!

That is because GM of Canada is a different company from GM of America that used some Pontiac parts to build their Chevys. The good news is every piece of factory documentation for the car was preserved in a warehouse somewhere in Canada that you can get a certified copy of for a nominal fee. It will tell you what options where installed, when and where it was built and who it was sold to originally (the shipping point for the dealership that sold it new).

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Welcome to the Team Steve!

That is because GM of Canada is a different company from GM of America that used some Pontiac parts to build their Chevys. The good news is every piece of factory documentation for the car was preserved in a warehouse somewhere in Canada that you can get a certified copy of for a nominal fee. It will tell you what options where installed, when and where it was built and who it was sold to originally (the shipping point for the dealership that sold it new).

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Hi Dave,
Thanks for that tip. I have actually done that for some of my other 60's cars and I know the car is legit. I am trying to find an explanation for the #'s on the car however. The engine # especially as it does not have the same sequence in it as would be expected when matching the 6 digits in the VIN.
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Here are some pics of the engine stamp and the cowl trim tags. Please disregard the red painted block. My dad did that when he was 19 years old. Apparently it was the cool color back in the day.



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That is because GM of Canada is a different company from GM of America that used some Pontiac parts to build their Chevys
You've got it backwards, Dave. GM Canada used Chevy parts to build Pontiacs. My 71 is a good example. The Parisienne was built on the shorter Impala wheelbase, but had the Bonneville bodywork. Additionally, engines were both Pontiac and Chevrolet. Mine has a Chevy 350, not a Pontiac. You could optionally get the Pontiac 400 and the 455, though. You couldn't go to a Chevy dealer and get a Pontiac engine in your Camaro.

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I have never seen any books with lists of Canadian car information. I have always assumed not that there was any lack of interest but that the information could be retrieved so accurately and completely for so little money that a book would be a wasted tree.

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I have never seen any books with lists of Canadian car information. I have always assumed not that there was any lack of interest but that the information could be retrieved so accurately and completely for so little money that a book would be a wasted tree.

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I agree withthat for sure. It is an excellent resource through GM Canada. It would be nice to have explanations though of how the trim tags and VIN numbers were different from the US cars.
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Here's a few more pics from the appraiser.







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Car looks great. Very original...
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64 Trim tag

Built: December 16, shift number 1
127,981 car of that body style
845: While vinyl bucket seats
M35: Powerglide 2 spd automatic
P paint code: Azure Aqua Metallic
Your VIN number based on the info above and on the 348-409
site decodes to: Your car is a: 1964 Impala SS 8 cylinder convertible built in Oakland, CA

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http://chevellestuff.net/1964/chevelle/tags/64-os.htm

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So, not a Canadian car after all.
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So, not a Canadian car after all.
Not unless Canada anexed California in revenge for Alasaka taking away from BC's coast line.

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Trim tag

The trim tag looks just like the 64 Chevelle tag on the Chevelle site, like to see a pic of the VIN please.

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The trim tag looks just like the 64 Chevelle tag on the Chevelle site, like to see a pic of the VIN please.

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I will see if I can dig up a VIN pic. The door jamb VIN plate has GM of Canada right on it.
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Steve,
Your car is most definitly a Canadian built vehicle. The guys have been overlooking several key signs.

The VIN you supplied "VIN # 41467026### GM of Canada " is a CANADIAN VIN number. All US built cars will have a letter in the 6th position. The canadian cars have a numeral like yours. I think Paul assumed that the 0 is a O which is not the case here. There was an O for Oakland California up through 1963 but not in 1964. Yours is a 0 (zero) not an O (ohh). And this indicates canadian built car.

Also easy to spot is the body colored firewall (and trunk) this was a Canadian only style.

Also the trim tag is not the US style for 1964 full size.

All of these indicate a Canadian car.

I do not have the details of the Canadian cars but as Dave said above, all of this information is availble from the Candian Chevrolet Historical Services.

Also if you post the rest of your VIN or send your information to Warrren L (TAR6569 on this site) he can decipher it for you.

Anyway I just wanted to make sure we are getting you correct information. You have a Canadian Built car.

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Craig is right. Canadian for sure. Oshawa definitely did things differently with their tags and codes!
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Biggest objective for me is trying to find out how the engine ties into the car. I cant see any correlation between the engine stamp and any numbers on the VIN tag or Trim tag.
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Steve,
I recall some discussions on canadian engine stamping before but I really don't recall the details. I would post your pictures and questions over on ChevyTalk and you might get better response. There is one guy who is very familiar with export cars and also Verne Franz frequents that site much more than here, he can give you some help with your engine code.
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http://www.chevytalk.org/fusionbb/sh...llsize_Chevys/

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VIN Decode;

4 - 1964
14 - Impala SS V-8
67 - 2 Dr. Convert 5 Passenger
O - Oshawa, Ontrario Canada Production Plant
26## - Production run number


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Ahhh, OSHAWA, not Oakland! They still make Impalas in that plant... not like they used to, though ;-)
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The rear antenna seems to be mounted much further back than the standard location. I would be interesting to see if it was a factory puched hole or a dealer installed unit that has beed cut with a hole saw.

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Hey Steve my '65 first owners were an Alberta couple and was Canadian made.

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Hi guys,
I got my GM Canada documentation back today. Looks like everything is perfect as I thought it was. Engine number has nothing to do with any other number on the car.


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Great car

Thats one nice car buddy good luck with it mate enjoy
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