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04-02-2015 11:23 AM
javierfernandez Tampa has tons of interesting stories! Argentina had some cools ones too, but lately we end up being just like many other latin american countries, we are agonizing due to populist and corrupt politicians. If you ask me, it's our fault, we shouldn't have let that happen.
Anyways, regarding local car history, we had an interesting story. Back in the half of the 20th century, Kaiser Industries left the US to come to Argentina, since we had General Peron that was trying to industrialize us and made a nice deal with them.
Then that became Industrias Kaiser Argentina, which made some cool car projects, like the Kaiser Carabela. That was as american as we could get, at least regarding local designs.

http://www.hupmobile.com.ar/Kaiser%203'.jpg
http://www.hupmobile.com.ar/Kaiser%202'.jpg

Meanwhile we embraced GM and Ford with their imported cars, and around 1969 we started building our own engines and cars. Around that time, GM was building the Chevrolet 400 which is our version of the first Nova and came with a 194 engine (I don't have that much info on the cars, most of this that I know came from the internet) and then it came the Chevrolet "Chevy", which is a Nova 2. GM had to change the name since it would've been made fun of by Ford enthusiasts because "nova" sounds almost the same as "No va", which can be translated to "It won't work", "It won't run", "It won't last", etc. The name was a success and by 1971 or 72, a dealership I cannot recall their name decided to "man up" the chevy to a new name, the "Chevron". Chevron was a customized Chevy Nova II, with tons of details and accessories that weren't included in the "Chevy".

Here's an example of the Chevron:
http://sp9.fotolog.com/photo/57/21/7...01790724_f.jpg
http://fotos.arcar.org/vehiculos/530...-chevron-b.jpg

http://fotos.arcar.org/vehiculos/211...on-Ss-1974.jpg
http://fotos0.mundofotos.net/2007/28...et-chevron.jpg

As you can see, some of the models are influenced by the Dodge/Chrysler and some others from some Ford Models like the mustang.

From Ford, we got the Ford Falcon, which was a hit here and was built barely until the early 90s. The Falcon made a huge hit in track races (same with the chevy, but falcon won more awards), but I don't know much about them.

I think that's all the interesting things car related that I know of. As of history, we had a bunch of military in the 70s, a drunk general declared war against England in the early 80s, we lost, Maradona made a few tricks and we won the world cup a couple of times. As of today, let's say I hope the government changes soon, hahahahah!
04-01-2015 11:25 AM
Big Dave Four cylinder Biscaynes were a COPO order through Ferman Chevrolet. They were all factory original.

Back then Ferman did a brisk trade in COPO orders and any customer that walked in the door could get anything they wanted including those 427 Camaro first generation cars that folks say are impossible to find because David Heinz ordered two of them to go with his three COPO al aluminum big bore short stroke 430 cube seven liter Corvettes. The local phone company that was headquartered initially in Tampa before moving to Texas used to buy Chevy Vans 450 at a time. The local rail road (Alantic Coast Line that merged with Florida East Coast Railroad that merged with Seaboard and Central Georgia to become Seaboard Coast Line before being called CSX after buying up the Baltimore & Ohio, Chessie System, Western Maryland, Chesapeake and Ohio, and the New York Central) called CSX now; ordered hundreds of light trucks to inspect the lines. Even the local power company ordered their line trucks through Ferman in lots of fifty or more at time so a COPO from Ferman was like an old Burger King ad "Special orders don't upset us!"

The Ferman Chevrolet dealership is still around, though Mr Ferman died in the eighties after retiring in the seventies. He was large enough and family owned so he was able to resist the Autoway conglomeration trend that ruined all of the other dealerships locally (except the BMW and Mercedes, Cadillac and Rolls Royce dealerships and Dave Heinz's Jaguar-Land Rover dealership). CSX is no longer a local concern, GTE which remamed itself Verizon which later became the FIOS mobile phone network moved out of town, and only Tampa Electric is still around and growing even larger today though no longer family owned; they now buy larger line trucks than GM makes now from the lowest bidder instead of a back room deal between two local families.

Just as an aside there are few other familiar billionaires that have familiar family names still residing at least part of the year in Tampa; such as the Lykes family that started out as a shipping company moving goods from Tampa to Cuba that bought into the processed food industry making Lykes luncheon meats. George Steinbrenner owner of Tampa Shipyard Repair and Dry Dock and a baseball team called the New York Yankees. If you like base ball there is a list of players and other personalities that call Tampa home going back to Babe Ruth who had a winter home on Bayshore Blvd as well as Babe Zaharias, a famous female golfer of the same time frame. We have wrestlers as well if you like pro wrestling and Drama Personas in tights. Though I probably wouldn't call Terry Bollea a local boy who made his fame with the stage name Hulk Hogan a drama queen to his face; as I respect him too much as an actor for his work out of the ring. Malcolm Glazer is probably better know for owning the Manchester United foot ball team than as the owner of the Tampa Bay Buccaneer foot ball team, he also lives in Tampa in the winter months

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...Tampa,_Florida

Sorry for the sudden and ridiculous digression but I was typing this as I got my wife and her friend out the door to visit a friend and try and find a location in down town Tampa that ruined my chain of thought.

Big Dave
04-01-2015 10:14 AM
javierfernandez Did those 4 cyl came from factory or where they switched by the water department?

I've found a lot of manuals and brochures from the biscayne/bel air/impala/caprice but I haven't seen them with the 4 cyl engine.

My biscayne was cheaply painted too, you can see the imperfections from bad masking in several places. I'm glad I'm planning to repaint the whole thing.
03-31-2015 03:21 PM
Big Dave I have seen those cars with four cylinder engines under the hood, no heater or radio. Three sped manual Biscayne two door with rubber floor mats. They were originally a medium blue color but the maintenance department had painted them all white with what looked like Rustoleum barely taking the time to mask off the windows and lights. The door jams were still blue and you could see the tape lines where they had a quarter inch of over spray on the lights because the masking tape gapped or wouldn't bend. Honestly; I could have done a better job and I can't paint.

I used to maintain twelve of those cars for the city of Tampa for the water department that used them for their meter readers to get into a neighborhood and then get out and walk on foot up and down the streets reading the water meters before retuning to the car to drive to the next block of homes to work.

Big Dave
03-31-2015 10:28 AM
javierfernandez Dave, you're awesome. I'm glad that the engine is american

That's one thing less in the list of things left original in the car, lol


Dadstoy, thank you! I'm going to check if there's anything else related to the car history. Being a UN car is pretty awesome, but I think it was in a agricultural project so that's not as cool as I'd expect. :P

Txbobcat, yeah, I'm thinking about changing the engine in the future, this kind of car deserves a v8. It's extremely funny to see so much space available when I pop up the hood hahahahah
03-31-2015 06:47 AM
Txbobcat You need a bigger engine.
03-30-2015 11:57 AM
dadstoy Welcome Javier, You have a nice Biscayne. Cool history.
03-30-2015 09:50 AM
Big Dave FD is a 155 horse one barrel 250 cid six cylinder in front of a 3 speed manual in 1967. Motor assembled 24th day of August in Flint Michigan.

Big Dave
03-30-2015 08:00 AM
Txbobcat welcome Javier
03-29-2015 06:11 PM
javierfernandez That has to be the very first understandable image I've ever seen for finding the car's serial number, LOL

The things that's there it's F0824FD then a little bit over that line, there's 1032.


http://i.imgur.com/25EA3V0.jpg
03-29-2015 05:29 PM
Big Dave Javier, see what the numbers say on the block.



There should be three letters and a bunch of numbers. The letters tell you the application and assembly plant for the motor, and the numbers the date of the build. In newer cars there would also be six digits that should match the last six numbers of the car's VIN, just not in 1967. I think they added the VIN starting in 1968.

Big Dave
03-29-2015 10:54 AM
javierfernandez thanks Djss! It's a little bit more complicated to get spare parts, but it's worth it. Specially for this kind of cars.
03-29-2015 10:42 AM
djss Hello and Welcome Javier

Your car looks good, gotta love a 4dr as they are much more user friendly.

I glad to see these cars getting love outside of the us.
03-29-2015 08:37 AM
javierfernandez Thanks, Dave, Dennis

I bought this 1967 biscayne from two guys that wanted to use the car for racing, but then decided not to (they wanted to put a v8 in it). So, one day, I found it online, saw it and fell in love with it.

It also has an interesting story, this was a UN car! I have some of the paperwork and transfer documents from the UN.

So, about the car! It's a 4 door sedan with a 3 speed manual transmission, it has a 250 L6 engine which I'm trying to figure out if it was swapped for an argentine L6 from our version of the Chevy nova, I haven't been able to find any info related to the engine so this still remains a mistery. It's a pretty basic model, no powersteering, no A/C, basic lap seatbelts and tinted windows.

Right now, it needs lots of love. It's in pretty good shape, but it has some electrical issues (lots of things work, but it's a mistery how and why). Today I'm getting the chassis cleaned up so we can unveil what else might be wrong with her.
Right now it needs some repairs on the steering box (this is a direct translation from what I heard from the mechanic, I bet its name is different in the US), needs a full set of bushings and anything that had rubber in the car, new mufflers, some missing trims (I'm planning to add the impala trims on the rear too, someday), new tires, a new paintjob and some things I cannot recall right now.

From what you'll see in the pictures, it has a champagne blonde color, which as soon as I get the cash I'll change it for the original tuxedo black.

I don't know much about cars, but I intend to learn from my car and keep it until I die. So... I better get along with it! Lol

I'm not sure if you can see this album, but let me know if you can't :P

http://imgur.com/a/cPmie
03-28-2015 09:46 PM
Big Dave Welcome to the Team Javier!

Big Dave
03-28-2015 05:32 PM
Dennis J Welcome Javier,
Some pictures please
03-28-2015 05:25 PM
javierfernandez
Greetings from Argentina

Hey guys, my name is Javier and I'm from Argentina. I just got into this forum and it looks like a cool community. I'm looking forward to restore my 1967 chevy Biscayne which I just bought. It has become my most expensive hobby so far, lol

I've got tons of questions about this car, but first I wanted to meet you guys.

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